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LNB L.O. Settings

Wednesday, February 18th, 2009

Something that often throws people when setting up a satellite decoder is what setting to use for the Local Oscillator (L.O.). Freeview approved decoders and some others use a system called ‘blind scan’ which eliminates the need to know any settings, you simply set the decoder to auto search and it will cycle through all the possible settings until it gets signal. For most satellite decoders though you need to set the L.O. manually.

For Sky TV dishes there are about 5 different models of LNB, utilising two different frequencies. Other dishes usually use one of the same frequencies, but there are also a couple of less common frequencies. The most foolproof way of finding out is to look at the sticker on the LNB, however this does mean gaining access to your dish, which may not be possible (or safe), or the sticker may not be readable.

Sharp single throat 11300 LNB

‘Sharp’ Sky Single LNB – 11300 L.O.

The older Sky dishes, and most other dishes use an L.O. frequency of 11300 MHz (11.3 GHz). There are a number of models that Sky have used over the years.

California Amps LNB

‘California Amplifiers’ Sky Single LNB – 11300 L.O.

One of these models in particular can prove troublesome – The oldest model, the ‘California Amplifier’ LNB (pictured above) doesn’t always allow use with 18V (horizontal polarity). The majority of these have been upgraded, but they still show up occasionally where the dish has not been used by Sky for a few years. They also suffer from UV damage with the face often become brittle, cracking, and allowing the ingress of water. If you have one of these LNBs and it is showing signs of deteriorating you are best to replace it.

Sky Dual 10750 LNB

‘Sharp’ Sky Dual LNB – 10750 L.O.

Newer Sky dishes have what is known as a Dual LNB with an L.O. frequency of 10750 MHz (10.75 GHz). These LNBs are recognisable by the oval shape of the face, and the twin throats on the body.

Sky Quad LNB

‘Sharp’ Sky Quad LNB – 10750 L.O.

Sky has released the Quad LNB pictured above which is pretty much identical to their Dual LNB, but with four cable outlets in the LNB itself, and slightly longer in the body. This is now the standard Sky LNB for all new installs, and older ones will be progressively replaced with these. Plastic caps cover the extra 3 cable outlets in the picture. It has a built in multi-switch with four outlets allowing the MySky HD decoders plus additional decoders to access either satellite simultaneously, unlike their Dual LNB which can only ‘see’ one satellite at a time. The naming they are using is a little confusing, the Dual LNB has dual throats to look at two satellites, but a single cable outlet. The Quad LNB still has dual throats, but is equipped with quad outputs.

Dual LNB, 10600 L.O.

Dual LNB (non-Sky) – 10600 L.O.

There are a few LNBs around that have an L.O. frequency of 10600 MHz (10.6 GHz), though these are relatively uncommon. Above is one such LNB. Most often than not though they will resemble a standard single LNB, and you won’t be able to tell until you check the sticker.

Setting the ‘LNB type’ in the decoder is usually hit and miss, we’ve found it often varies between different manufacturers and LNBs. Setting the LNB type to ‘normal’ usually works, but you may need to set it to ‘universal’ with some. For smaller dishes under 1.5m in size the LNB band will almost certainly be Ku. C band is only really used with large dishes for foreign channels.

Other 11300 LNBs

Top Left – Newer California Amplifiers LNB – 11300 L.O.
Top right – another ‘Sharp’ single LNB – 11300 L.O.
Bottom – ‘Hills’ dish – 11300 L.O.

The Hills dish above was used by Sky for a short time when they had problems with their supply of Winegard dishes. The LNB on these is white with a metal casing in contrast to the normal plastic ones. Later Hills models use a whitish coloured LNB very similar to the one top right in the picture above.

For non-Sky installed dishes there isn’t really any way of telling what the L.O. frequency will be without looking at the LNB sticker. There are dozens of different models from different manufacturer’s on the market, and installed on houses. More often than not a recently installed dish will have an LNB with a 10750 L.O as most commercial installers have followed Sky’s lead, and are trying to keep things simple by matching their setups to Sky’s.

Can I use a Sky dish to get Freeview?

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

99% of the time, the answer to this is yes, you can get the Freeview Satellite service from a Sky dish. Assuming the dish is still aligned correctly, and that the (intact) cabling goes to where you wish to have your Set-Top-Box (STB) it should be fine.

The 1% of the time when it might not work is where the dish is particularly old, and it has one of the early California Amps LNBs installed (The LNB is at the end of the arm where the cable terminates into). Many of these LNBs do not function at the polarity required by Freeview and will need to be replaced.

There are predominantly two different LNB Local Oscillator (LO) frequencies in use. The two used by Sky are 11300MHz for all older single LNBs (the whitish side of the LNB that faces the dish is round), and 10750MHz for the newer dual LNBs (oval shaped face). If you’re using a non-Freeview approved STB then you may need to change this setting in order to get it working. The Freeview approved decoders will detect this setting when first setup.

Freeview HD vs. Freeview Satellite

Friday, January 16th, 2009

Transmission Type
The most obvious difference between Freeview HD and Freeview Satellite is the transmission medium. Freeview HD is a digital terrestrial transmission (DVB-T) broadcast from a land based transmitter. In the case of the Manawatu area, from the Wharite transmitter. Freeview Satellite on the other hand is broadcast from a satellite (DVB-S) in geo-stationary orbit (it rotates with the earth), located in the Clark’s Belt some 30,000km Northish (156 degrees true North to be exact).  In order to receive terrestrial signal, a UHF aerial is required, of the same type as used to pickup analogue TV channels such as Maori and Prime.

Signal Availability
Due to the land based nature of the Freeview HD system, and the limitations of UHF signals over a distance, location plays a great part in whether you can receive Freeview HD. If you’re too far away from the small number of transmitters around NZ, or have too many obstacles for the signals to pass through, you will be unable to get reception. Satellite on the other hand is available to all parts of the country and most outlying islands.

Picture Quality
The terrestrial broadcast of Freeview HD allows for far greater amounts of data to be broadcast, allowing for High Definition pictures.  Satellite broadcast on the other hand has limited bandwidth, and the choice was made early on to opt for more channels rather than High Definition broadcasts.  All Freeview Satellite channels are broadcast in Standard Definition (SD).

Equipment Requirements
Freeview HD -  You need to be located in an area with a transmission tower that is broadcasting the digital signals (Wharite for the Manawatu).  A UHF aerial is needed that receives these signals at an acceptable level and quality.  Lastly a DVB-T receiver is needed – either in the form of a seperate Set-Top-Box, or built into the TV as is becoming more common now.
Freeview Satellite -  To receive Freeview via the satellite, you will need a satellite dish greater than 50cm in diameter, correctly aligned to the Optus D1 satellite.  This is the same satellite used by Sky, so a Sky dish can be used.  A DVB-S receiver is needed, these are not interchangable with the DVB-T models, and currently no TVs that we are aware of in NZ have them built in.

Channels Available
All of the mainstream TVNZ and Mediaworks channels are available on both systems, but some of the regional and smaller channels are only available on either the terrestrial or the satellite system due to cost restraints. Check the Freeview HD channel list against the Freeview Satellite channel list to see which channels are available on each.